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rramachandran_1 Senior Member


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(From N.P. Ramadurai, Ancient History Of India through Vedic Astronomy, International Society for Investigation of Ancient Civilization, Chennai-600032, 2002)
It was a day 15the Sep B.C.3139, a full Moon day where a Lunar Eclipse took place, followed by Solar Eclipse on 28th Sep 3139 B.C(On a No Moon Day).(There was a comet that appeared in the same year) Like the present 2009 and 2010 ( A Lunar Eclipse was on 31.12.2009 and 15th Jan 2010 a Solar Eclipse.) But the Eclipse on Mahabharatha Period occured on North Pole side, where as the present one occurs on South Pole.
On that day of 28th Sep 3139 B.c., a sacrifice was given before the commencement of war, (Probably, it was the day when Geethopadesam, Chanting of Geetha was given on the day of No Moon day, is celebrated as Deepavali.)and the war started. The Great war ended on 15th Nov 3139 B.C.(Probably, it was the day when Geethopadesam, Chanting of Geetha was given on the day of No Moon day, is celebrated as Deepavali.)(From N.P. Ramadurai, Ancient History Of India through Vedic Astronomy, International Society for Investigation of Ancient Civilization, Chennai-600032, 2002)
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DavidR Senior Member

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Thank you! I just knew it was not related to Holloween as some people had been reasuring me! Europeans had not yet come down from the trees when your people were great astronomers and scientists and made better sky-blue pigment-lakes than Zercas' adopted ancestors, the comparatively just recently arrived Mayans! How does one adopt an ancestor? That will be a subject for an other post!
Edited by DavidR on 11 January 2010 at 1:09am
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mexgerber Senior Member

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Acid black 210 is sensitive to chromium salts and, for this, is not advisable its use as a charge changer for top dyeing using stuffs like Luganil Black NT.
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seogsoo Senior Member


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I believe that sensitivity cause by high pH of dyestuff percipitates Cr.
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DavidR Senior Member

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Chrome complexes with the dyestuff changing the hue by "metallization" and the brownish-red black becomes greenish (or viceversa!).
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mexgerber Senior Member

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It is also possible to demetallize metal complex dyes by using EDTA in the dyeing bath. The downgraded dye will have a different shade and lower fastness.
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Common sense!?! Wow. In a society bent on doing whatever commercial TV and peer pressure demand? David, it is my turn to be amazed and impressed. Heaven forbid that body odor be a sign that one needs to bath and remove the source.
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DavidR Senior Member

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EDTA sodium salts have available anionic carboxyl groups that "mask" collagen's charged aminos and perhaps even bridge across them, thus potential surface "bleaching" results, affecting the dyeability of collagen by anionic dyes as well as causing an additional weak tanning effect as well. If the dye solution itself is treated with such EDTA products in the absence of collagen, most likely what Mexgerber reports occurring is very true, but adding such EDTA derivatives to collagen at acid pH values causes a reaction with the protein's charged amino-side groups that blocks posterior dye fixation and imparts softness upon drying by blocking charged aminogroups from forming longer distanced saline bonds, much as a aromatic sulphonic bearing syntans do, with similar muted and leveled dyeing properties results.
The reason I suspect this happens is that by adding such EDTA products in the basification step of wet-blue, causes a lighter color (EDTA chrome complexes are less blue-green than sulfate-formate ones) than the usual but results in no obvious diminution of boil-proofness in the leather itself, hence stripping off of chrome as oxalate will definitelly do, is not the case!
Edited by DavidR on 31 January 2010 at 12:01pm
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DavidR Senior Member

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"Bleaching" by oxalate of leather in the retannage stage destined for white finishing, will often cause such leather to irreversibly shrink in the vacuum dryer set for only 65degC but probably the actual temperature is a little higher. EDTA derivatives will surface-bleach without lowering the shrinkage temperature appreciably. Thus I would guess that oxalate would be a better choice for "detanning" a chrome-complexed dyestuff than EDTA derivatives might be! Chrome-EDTA complexes have been studied spectrographically in the UV and thus this question could be further investigated. It should also depend on the particular dyestuff chrome stability constant, hence not an appriory predicable subject for any situation, although easily investigable in specific cases.
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