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DavidR Senior Member

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The use of most leather chemicals in the tannery has an inherent contradiction that can be avoided by controlling astringency between the added chemical and the relevant reactive group on collagen. Fortunatelly, at least the initial chemical reactions leading to much more complicated processes, can be broken down into manageable conceptual situations.
The factors that encourage good fixation of a particular chemical offered to Collagen/leather usually imply that under those conditions very poor penetration occurs. Thus a tanner must apply initially low astringency (chemical reactivity) conditions untill the desired penetration is achieved and then switch the medium conditions to high astringency situations. In general the concentration of a chemical causes better penetration through diffusion, if astringency is low, and thus low floats will in general help penetration. If penetration is not desired such as when top-dyeing, the dyestuff can be added at a pH and temperature causing higher astringency and in a large bath such as to hinder penetration. In the case of vegetable extract tanning in a pit process where astringency is not controlled very well, only the offering of very dilute initial concentrations of the extract during a very long time, achieves sufficient penetration. Unfortunatelly this fossil concept is still being carried through and applied to drum processes where astringency can, and needs to be controlled, if the basic chemistry is understood!
Many processes such as dyeing are initially affected by longer range electrostatic inverse square forces, but the really effective fixation is ultimatelly defined by much shorter ranged, molecular chemistry distances linkages such as coordination, H-bonding, van der Walls, hydrophobic, Dipole-dipole, etc. shorter range forces that only take place after the initiation of the drying when dye-collagen internal structural distances are shortened to the point that the closer ranged molecular chemical linkages beguin to occur over and above the initial electrostatic attractions. Thus, in general, dyestuffs only effectivelly really fix during drying of the leather. Thus the chraftsman's folklore general rules of thumb such as adding an equal amount of fixing formic acid as the weight of the dye employed, are only based on faulty understanding of the chemical situation! Enough formic acid must be added to create sufficient number of charged aminos on collagen for the initial attraction, thus the internal pH of the leather at dyeing leading to charged aminos forming is the important factor, even if difficult to estimate with pH indicators because of the colored dyestuff!
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kallenwe Senior Member


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Interesting that you would use dye as your example. Personally I think the picture is clearer using the chrome example as there is clear separate stages of covering, exposing and fixing the chrome to the protein through the pickle, tan and neutralization. I often emphasize that the neutralization is the true tanning stage, not the "tan" or simple addition of the chrome liquor.
However, the point is well taken if somewhat muted in presentation.
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DavidR Senior Member

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I do not want to get into the theory of tanning, but the inorganic chrome hydroxide extended polymers only form after increasing the pH to nearly precipitating Cr(OH)3-they are the ones that are involved in tannage!
Dyes interact with chrome tanned leather initially by the long range electrostatic attraction of their negative sulphonic (solubilizing!) groups and the cationic aminos present on collagen whose availability is not only pH-controlled but also from the decoupling the "other-end" of a saline link, that is then set free by metal tannage, causing their decoupling. Thus metal tannage makes collagen/leather more reactive to anionic chemicals, that is "more astringent". That is why I mentioned dyes in the posting.
Edited by DavidR on 07 January 2010 at 12:19pm
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kallenwe Senior Member


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Oley! Or should I say "olation"? Or could it just be bologna? Sure looks like it should be spelled bull-looney.
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DavidR Senior Member

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By the example given previously, I am demonstrating that there is need to control astringency of an offered chemical to collagen to get both penetration and later fixation! If you wan't an example based on chrome instead, using these principles I can also oblige: By adding undissolved chrome (BCS) to a low float pickle (~7Baumes and acid!) that is dehydrating collagen such as it tends to revert it to the uncharged configuration from the initial Zwitterionic, hydrated, charged form, both anionic carboxyls and cationic charged aminos are discharged evermore towards their electrostatic neutral form, thus having good penetration of charged chemicals from that point of view, as would occur by annalogy to ion-esxchange resin systems. Additionally because of the excess of Na2SO4 arising out of the commercial tanning product employed, anionic, non-tanning chrome complexes with low astringency towards the fewer anionic carboxyls are still available because of excess salt dehydration and pH, and the cationic aminos present because of pH reasons are masked by the anionic Hofmeister sulfate to not delay penetration of the anionic chrome complexes, although coordination fixing is not possible regardless of this electrostatic attraction through the solution. After the addition of MgO and water as basification is initiated; that drops the ionic strenght of the bath and raises slowly the pH, as collagen begins to rehydrate and the formation of cationic chrome complexes that have astringency towards the forming collagen's anionic carboxyls because of rising pH reasons. Thus after required penetration of the chrome, the astringency conditions are enhanced and the addition of hot water to finish dissolving the MgO further drives-up the reactivity between cationic chrome complexes and anionic carboxyls further along. As the triple helix distorts because of mechanical effect and temperature increase, further reactions leading to approaching better stoichiometric involment of the ingredients of the tannage rection arises and the heterocoagulation of collagen with Cr(OH)3 increasingly insoluble inorganic polymers (Gibbsite?) causes larger and ever increasing molecular weight cooperating units, and that is what tannage really is all about!
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kallenwe Senior Member


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Olation!!!!! Now that is chemistry at work with real protein modificaiton and chrome manipulation. That is exactly the example that I envisioned with a little extra for flavor that makes it particularly David's. Thanks.
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seogsoo Senior Member


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Increased temperature may slow down the speed of MgO dissolving. It may increase the speed of olation. But will sure increase strength of ionic bond.
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mexgerber Senior Member

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How it was evaluated that temperature may slow down the dissolving speed of MgO?. Most of the MgO special for tannery, heat treated, need a temperature higher than 40ºC to dissolve completely in the chrome tanning bath.
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seogsoo Senior Member


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As you know solubility of Ca and Mg are declining when temeprature is increased. In chrome tanning, I believe Sulphates, which dissociated from chrome increased solubility of MgO
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mexgerber Senior Member

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Solubility of Ca and Mg in plain water decrease when the temperature increases. But in the tanning MgO is added in acidic conditions and it is more soluble there than in plain water. If the MgO is not well prepared and its reactivity and solubility is not reduced by heating and its particle size is too small, then it is readily soluble and when added it gives a jump in the pH of the tanning bath increasing instantly its value for more than one unit and this precipitates the chromium giving final leather with a green color on the surface, not the usual bluish shade. The MgO specially made for basifying is not readily soluble by heat treatment and controlled particle size, but it needs a final temperature around 40ºC or higher in order to be completely dissolved. This special MgO increases the pH in a very smooth curve as the bath temperature is also increasing.
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